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« on: April 09, 2008, 09:37:16 PM » |
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here is an upgrade offered for turbo kits http://turbobikes.org/forum/index.php/topic,16.0.htmla secondary upgrade consists of adding a second set of injectors (or 3rd for secondary equipped bikes) these are added to the plenum above the TB's there also a 1:1 reg added replacing the fmu there is a set of 4 injectors added and a fuel rail there is also a controller and sensors added along with a wiring harness the advantage to adding secondaries is the control of the fuel is far superior to the fmu along with the tunability and control the secondary setup allows for a much smoother street bike |
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2009, 12:55:09 PM » |
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That looks good.
Too bad the zx14 plenum is part of the frame... hmmmm.
Looks like I already have another project in the works for next winter.
This year, I'm going accumulate parts, and for now, run what I have.
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2009, 11:42:05 PM » |
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What sensors are added? If I am reflashing the ECU to run the stock injectors with an FMU, then this kit would eliminate the FMU, right? So I would have to use the ECU for the stock injectors, then run the MS for the secondaries?
These may sound like stupid question, but this whole turbo thing is new to me and I am trying to get my little brain wrapped around this. This sounds like something I may want to try. Dumb it down for a fella!! LOL!!
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2009, 12:37:04 AM » |
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No sensors unless you want to tune with a wide band you will need a oxy sensor. You don't really need to tune out of boost unless your enviroment necessitates it. I live up at 5300' and a heavy rider at 280lbs. suited. I want the best performance out of boost if possible.
I use the ECU flasher for off boost tuning, timing advance, rev limit change, hard rev cut, dwell increase as well as for nitrous activation to help spool up the turbo. The MS is for on boost tuning as usual. My cut-off on the ECU tuning as far as map changes is about 5k then the MS pretty much takes it from there.
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2009, 03:11:22 PM » |
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No sensors unless you want to tune with a wide band you will need a oxy sensor. You don't really need to tune out of boost unless your enviroment necessitates it. I live up at 5300' and a heavy rider at 280lbs. suited. I want the best performance out of boost if possible.
I use the ECU flasher for off boost tuning, timing advance, rev limit change, hard rev cut, dwell increase as well as for nitrous activation to help spool up the turbo. The MS is for on boost tuning as usual. My cut-off on the ECU tuning as far as map changes is about 5k then the MS pretty much takes it from there.
So let me get this right. I tune with the ECU till boost comes on. Then use the MS to tune on boost. I have the header and turbo now. After the upgrade, I would still need a BOV, a Waste gate, a fuel pump plus all lines and fittings. Is there anything I'm forgetting? |
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2009, 11:25:26 PM » |
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So let me get this right. I tune with the ECU till boost comes on. Then use the MS to tune on boost. I have the header and turbo now. After the upgrade, I would still need a BOV, a Waste gate, a fuel pump plus all lines and fittings. Is there anything I'm forgetting?
Plenum, 1:1 regulator......are you piecing together a kit? Don't get to hung up on major tuning with the ECU flasher. A lot of guys with street kits do not use any tuner ie; PCIII, Yosh, etc. with the MS secondaries. It seems rideability is still good while off boost. I'd use some of the other functionality built into the ECU first. If you find off boost performance needs attention then use the flasher for mild changes. |
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« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2009, 12:37:44 PM » |
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I am piecing together a kit, although everything with the exception of the turbo has been from RCC. I am ready to buy the plenum now. I am having trouble deciding between getting RCC Stage II plenum or getting the Stage I plenum and having the upgrade. I have so many questions it hurts. LOL!! I'm a motor, nitrous guy and this turbo stuff is a whole new world.
Thanks for all the help and answers to the questions so far. Here are some more.
Bosch 044 or Walbro 255?
Stage II plenum and buy MS seperately or get a Stage I plenum and have the upgrade done?
What BOV and Waste gate do I use?
I am looking for a honest 275 hp with the ability to bump it up later without too much hassle.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2009, 08:08:38 PM » |
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2009, 10:19:21 PM » |
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I am piecing together a kit, although everything with the exception of the turbo has been from RCC. I am ready to buy the plenum now. I am having trouble deciding between getting RCC Stage II plenum or getting the Stage I plenum and having the upgrade. I have so many questions it hurts. LOL!! I'm a motor, nitrous guy and this turbo stuff is a whole new world.
Thanks for all the help and answers to the questions so far. Here are some more.
Bosch 044 or Walbro 255?
Stage II plenum and buy MS seperately or get a Stage I plenum and have the upgrade done?
What BOV and Waste gate do I use?
I am looking for a honest 275 hp with the ability to bump it up later without too much hassle.
Just curious, Why not finish up your kit with an RCC plenum with the BOV, everything else is from RCC. |
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2009, 10:45:28 PM » |
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Just curious,
Why not finish up your kit with an RCC plenum with the BOV, everything else is from RCC.
actually he has a master power turbo |
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2009, 10:57:09 PM » |
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i would get a microtech at this point. maybe once they start getting tuned properly and more tech support i would get a ms. had four microtech and installed two other kits with them. flawless. not a standalone, but install and go to the dyno for a test run or three to be safe. then hit the track not bashing the ms, but i would hold off buying the ms until things are running smooth. sounds like two?? guys are running them with good results??? just my 2cents..............okay pinky jump in here, but be real about where the kit is NOW. |
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« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2009, 05:08:12 AM » |
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ok here is the real
the turbo he has doesn't flow like an rcc so no map will come correct with his turbo
right? right.
so either way both will need tuned
his choice ask him which hed like
and more then 2 running fine you just don't believe it cause the others choose to stay out of your thread
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« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2009, 09:36:45 AM » |
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hhhmmm. had a gt35, gt28, kkk27 and a t61. all ran perfect with the microtech. microtech will come with a tune for some applications, but not all.......................however, you can ride your bike to the dyno if needed. they are not a standalone, but in this case just as good or better because they are proven to perform.
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« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2009, 09:38:42 AM » |
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hhhmmm. had a gt35, gt28, kkk27 and a t61. all ran perfect with the microtech. microtech will come with a tune for some applications, but not all.......................however, you can ride your bike to the dyno if needed. they are not a standalone, but in this case just as good or better because they are proven to perform.
my point is gotta tune it either way and that can be done on any setup but you guys just dont believe me let him make his own decision |
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« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2009, 11:46:41 AM » |
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« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2009, 12:19:10 PM » |
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if he has to tune it either way than he would be crazy not to get the RCC plenum. better made. REAL tech support. will fit under the tank. will not leak. Microtech and RCC plenum..... proven quality
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« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2009, 12:30:25 PM » |
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Keep in mind, I'm in the middle of no wheresville. It is 3 hours north to a tuner, 3 hours south to a tuner. I would like to be able to tune myself. Will the micro do that? Will the MS?
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« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2009, 12:51:19 PM » |
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Keep in mind, I'm in the middle of no wheresville. It is 3 hours north to a tuner, 3 hours south to a tuner. I would like to be able to tune myself. Will the micro do that? Will the MS?
if you are patient and take a little time yes you can tune the MS yourself with datalogging as long as you dont shoot for the moon right off the bat |
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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2009, 12:59:23 PM » |
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if you are patient and take a little time yes you can tune the MS yourself with datalogging as long as you dont shoot for the moon right off the bat
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