Secondary Fuel system Upgrade

[jasonsbusa]

Ill try to put it on the dyno next week.Like Pinky said though its in the tune not the controller.They both do the same thing just have different options.Ive never ran a microtech so I dont know the differences but I like being able to tune myself with a palm pilot.

[1low04busa]

Ill try to put it on the dyno next week.Like Pinky said though its in the tune not the controller.They both do the same thing just have different options.Ive never ran a microtech so I dont know the differences but I like being able to tune myself with a palm pilot.

i dont wanna tune anything, i want it already done. turn key and have fun is my whole philosophy

[Chris Horoho]

i dont wanna tune anything, i want it already done. turn key and have fun is my whole philosophy

thats not a great philosiphy when going over 8 pounds of boost
as the tune is very critical and any old map wont work from one bike to the other (especially with microtech due to it doesnt recalibrate for the see level you are at (atmospheric pressure adjustment))
so id be careful just throwing any old map in and going
youll even need to have someone map the microtech (fine tune if you will)

[Chris Horoho]

also you cant email a map from one computer to another with microtech
just a screenshot or send the dongle
with MS you can send a msq from here to there then download it as a startup map
alot easier then typing in a whole map into microtech

just ask around on the other boards they'll tell you you cant email a map
but with the MS you can

[fatnslow]

pinky right, there is a guy on another board with a microteck that wanted a map and they told him you cant do it that way, you need that dongle and you have to have someone load it. i have the map that barry put in mine from velocity, which means there is no telling what the hells in it. i need to get it to a dyno, but one that has the dongle to hook to my controller so it can be adjusted, or by one from velocity for like 100 bucks.

[1low04busa]

thats not a great philosiphy when going over 8 pounds of boost
as the tune is very critical and any old map wont work from one bike to the other (especially with microtech due to it doesnt recalibrate for the see level you are at (atmospheric pressure adjustment))
so id be careful just throwing any old map in and going
youll even need to have someone map the microtech (fine tune if you will)

I want it tuned, jus not wanna dick with it all the time. once its tuned, is where i was sayin turn key and go.

[Chris Horoho]

I want it tuned, jus not wanna dick with it all the time. once its tuned, is where i was sayin turn key and go.

the MS is like that
when its tuned its tuned
its not a tune daily type of setup
its just cheeper and easier to tune it real world (not on a dyno, which can be done if you add an lc-1 and a palm pilot)
but this too can be tuned on a dyno and will hold a good tune also

why would you think it wouldnt?

[jasonsbusa]

All bikes are different and one map isnt going to work for every bike.Thats why its called a starter map usually they are rich to be safe.Look around on SH.org and you will see even with microtech its recommended to get it tuned to your bike.We have starter maps that will get you close for the MS also.To get your bike to run the best you still need to get it tuned.For the price of a custom tune on a dyno you can get an LC1 and palm pilot for the MS and tune it yourself and have the ability to retune for added HP down the road if you choose.

[1low04busa]

i wanted to see results from this megasquirt, and was tryin to weigh out options as far as cost effective...i can up grade the plenium i have through RCC adn get a megasquirt. what consists of the megasquirt...is it jus a control box and a pigtail that jus simply plugs and done, or is there splicing of wires?

[atticdog]

When you get a chance can you make me up a list of all the fuel stuff I need to buy for mine(fitting,lines,etc..)

Kurt if you still have this list can I get it from you?

[kurtsbusa]

This is the list I got from Pinky
    PART NUMBER       QTY                   
EAD  288-06-06           6
EAD  33982-6-6           3
EAD  2404-06-02         1
EAD  2404-06-04         2
EAD  2404-06-06         2
EAD  2404-04-02         1
EAD  962406               1
EAD  801-6BLUE          10FT


ordered it from www.earlsindy.com

[Chris Horoho]

im glad you found that as i have no clue where all my info is right now lol

[atticdog]

awesome thanks!

[atticdog]

Pinky where do you order from?
I cant find those part numbers online

[Chris Horoho]

those parts arent online but instore
i order from them in store but if you call then they will ship them also

[atticdog]

ok thanks

[Ottocycle]

Hello all,
I posted a few questions on the turbo forum of ExtremeBusa.com and found this link. You seem to know the answers to my questions, particularly Pinkey and Jason.
I will not go through the same stuff here but I am not sure I fully understand how the secondary injection kit works. As I understand it the modified plenum has 4 extra injectors that are triggered by boost pressure. As boost goes up the injectors feed more fuel. The volume of fuel is determined by a base map pre programmed in the megasquirt but adjustable by laptop tuning on the dyno or by road testing with an  data acquisition system. The factory Suzuki map is retained for all ignition and off boost engine management (fuel). There is no way of adjusting the timing under boost. Am I correct?
I do not perceive this as a problem if the boost is limited, and the intake charge is cooled. Injecting fuel into the plenum will pull heat out of the charge and help things.
What boost level have you guys found "safe" without changing the ignition curves? I am looking for 250+ horsepower with as linear a torque spread as I can get. My engine is stock with the option of an .080 base gasket. To complicate things a little it is going in a lightweight car, which will keep the engine under load longer than in most bike applications (weight, drag and tire traction). On the upside I have the room to put a big intercooler in the system.

What I would like to know is this:
1). Am I correct in my understanding of the system and how much boost is conservatively possible (pump gas)?
2). Can an O2 sensor be introduced into the system via the megasquirt to richen the mix in a closed loop format as an insurance against a lean condition (13:1 rather than stoichiometric)?

I want to put this together this winter. I have the car running well at the moment but would like a little more ooomph (whats new???). I have a spare engine that I will use for the turbo conversion and have all the main pieces to put it together. I need to formulate a proper design/plan of attack.
On another topic. I have a stainless log style manifold that came with the Garrett GT 28 turbo I have. I know it is inefficient but do not know if it is worth the money and effort to build a header style manifold. Any ideas?

Thanks,

Dermot

[jasonsbusa]

First off welcome to the site
You are understanding the secondary sytem correctly.We arent able to take timing out with the Megasquirt but will be able to soon once the interface board gets ironed out.We have ran up to 15lbs of boost with a spacer and good tune.I also have pro mod studs and Cometic head gasket to aid in this.That is more then enough boost to get 250hp.Im using a LC1 and a palm pilot to tune my bike with.Record your run load it into Megalogviewer and you can see where you are at.If you check in the Megasquirt section you can read up on the possibilities.If you have any more questions keep them coming.Pinky will chime in with more info as he is more knowledgeable with turbos then I am

[Ottocycle]

Thanks Jason,
Thanks for the advice. I will look at the Megasquirt section to figure out the possibilities and the function of a Megaviewer. I don't believe there is such a thing as a stupid question, but feel I should know this, but what is a "LC1", some brand of air fuel ratio meter? I am in Maryland, where are you?
Cheers-

Dermot.

[jasonsbusa]

No dumb questions here.LC1 is a A/F meter.Heres a site to see the LC1 and other options for monitoring and logging.Im in New Jersey not far away so if theres anything I can do to help out let me know
http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/products/MTS.php